BioShock

[Fry Crayola]

It's out, and here's your thread. Keep those nasty spoilers away from us poor folk.

Or I'll send round a Big Daddy or two.

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/02/bioshock_xbox360.jpg

Coo-eee! I'm going to exsanguinate you!

[James]

Is the PC version out yet? I'm so picking myself up a copy of this.

[Pabmania D_D]

I'm so out of touch with the games and the kids these days.

[Andy]

I couldn't bring myself to kill the little sisters :cry:

Cracking game so far, played the first few levels in a few hours.

[Harold Bishop]

I thought there was a games thread. Why is this so special?

[Raoul Duke]

Because it's gonna *probably* be game of the year.

I've just bought it, installing it now. It's time to go kill some little girls!!!1!

[Pabmania D_D]

What is it...? :cry:

[Demerit]

I'm getting this tomorrow. Well I'm not but my brother is getting it for his birthday which is tomorrow so I shall no doubt play it. Sounds like a great game, got 95% in PC Gamer. Does anyone know if it is as good on the 360?

Also, please, please no spoilers. Apparently one of the best things if not THE best thing about the game is the storyline.

[Shindig]

Definitely game of the year. Partly because the other contenders are a no show or the on-time competition is bollocks.

I saved the first one. A glitch meant she was doing the Running Man whilst some dialogue was being wittled through. Even the glitches are lovely.

PC versions are having trouble with 2K activation and making Steam do crazy things.

[Harold Bishop]

Just seems like another shoot em up to me. What's the big deal?

[Taz]

She dies at the end of the city level.

[Fandan]

I am probably going to buy it tomorrow :nodd:

[Raoul Duke]

Just got Telekinesis. Goddamn I can see that being great fun. A splicer just came in to try and kill me, I ripped the mask off her face and launched it back at her and it killed her :D

[Bigpapa42]

Definitely a very good game. i'm not usually a huge fan of FPS, but its very well done. The atmosphere in the game is outstanding, especialy the music. And the whole thing with the Little Sisters is quite creepy.

[The Pongo]

I got it today in the metal tin for £34 from Virgin online.

Waiting to play it on my new TV, although I might fire it up tomorrow or sunday.

[Freddie]

Got it on the 360 earlier today. Havent had a chance to play it yet though

[Andy]

Just got Telekinesis. Goddamn I can see that being great fun. A splicer just came in to try and kill me, I ripped the mask off her face and launched it back at her and it killed her :D

Telekinesis is so much fun, i've found some funny ways to kill people with it already. The tennis ball machine to test it out is quality.

[Raoul Duke]

Telekinesis is so much fun, i've found some funny ways to kill people with it already. The tennis ball machine to test it out is quality.

What kind of ways? I like the idea of being able to pick up stuff and use it as cover too. I'm waiting to meet one of the grenade chucking splicers and play a game of catch with him :naughty:

My game just crashed (think it was 'cause I tabbed out of it) so I'm left it for a little while to play some FM :moop:

[Andy]

Throwing dead bodies at incoming enemies is always fun, as is throwing gas canasters and bins :D

I like that when you upgrade a weapon it actually changes visually aswell.

[Alex]

Just got Telekinesis. Goddamn I can see that being great fun. A splicer just came in to try and kill me, I ripped the mask off her face and launched it back at her and it killed her :D

I killed one splicer, picked up the corpse and launched it an another. It's class. :D

I just came up against the first Big Daddy. It absolutely kicked the shit out of me. :moop:

[Bigpapa42]

I killed one splicer, picked up the corpse and launched it an another. It's class. :D

I just came up against the first Big Daddy. It absolutely kicked the shit out of me. :moop:

The Big Daddy's can be brutal to try to fight. It sorta gets easier as you go along, cuz you can get more ways to try to kill... but I think they get tougher to match. It seems they might have a weak spot in the back of their suit, so try shooting at that.

[Andy]

Just make sure to keep moving when you're fighting them. Get some anti-armour bullets aswell, helps alot.

[Shindig]

I almost took one down before. I think there's one involved in this big fight down at the Fisheries, too.

[Mike]

I 'got' it for the 360, not played though, I might go to town tomorrow and buy the PC version.

[Shindig]

'Got'? Borrowed, Mike. Borrowed. ;)

Apparently the PC version is fairly optimised and a retail version certainly seems fairer than downloading through Steam only to find the authentication goes to cock.

Spotted a framerate option on the 360 version. Stabilies the frames per second, natch. Tempted to whack it off. :D

[Mike]

Don't fancy buying it over steam anyways, rather have it here in my hand. Plus, I may find it cheaper in town than the $50+ it is over steam.

[Shindig]

£25? Although, aye. PC Games tend to shift around £20, in certain circles.

[Mike]

Yeah, Asda have it down as £25, and I'd have a box and stuff too. :)

[Alex]

I almost took one down before. I think there's one involved in this big fight down at the Fisheries, too.

I got him. The electric bucks in the shotgun work a treat. I died a couple of times in the process though. I find the fact that you respawn when you die without losing any in game progress very strange. Essentially you could just wear a Big Daddy down bit by bit, getting killed about 20 times in the process but eventually killing it.

[Raoul Duke]

Anyone know how to get Chompers Medical Key? It's just after you get the telekinesis power.

EDIT - Nevermind I've got it now. It's hanging up on a wall in his office. Telekinesis to the rescue!

[Bigpapa42]

I got him. The electric bucks in the shotgun work a treat. I died a couple of times in the process though. I find the fact that you respawn when you die without losing any in game progress very strange. Essentially you could just wear a Big Daddy down bit by bit, getting killed about 20 times in the process but eventually killing it.

Yeah, but you don't necessarily respawn with much life. And you don't get the weapons you've just used. So it does make it tough in that regard.

[ProzacAddict486]

I've just played the demo on the 360. It seems pretty damn good, the atmosphere is spot on as well.

That's gone straight to the top of my rental list.

[Only1FilipSebo]

I hate the respawn system. It goes a long way to taking any challange away from the game and removing the accomplishment of defeating a Big Daddy.
There is also a severe lack of interaction with your character which is annoying and the game begins to get a tad generic as it goes on.
The story, graphics, atmosphere and sound however are class but still think its over-hyped.

[Alex]

I hate the respawn system. It goes a long way to taking any challange away and removing the accomplishment of defeating a Big Daddy.
There is also a severe lack of interaction with your character which is annoying and the game begins to get a tad generic as it goes on.
The story, graphics, atmosphere and sound however are class but still think its over-hyped.

Yeah, it really is bugging me quite a bit. I've taken a few Big Daddys down now. I've come close to getting one without being killed but he got me with just a bit of health remaining, so I just respawned and finished him off. It really does remove any real sense of accomplishment when you kill one. I mean sure, I would have been pissed off if I had to fight the fucker all over again from scratch when I nearly had him, but I would have done it. And I would have been much more pleased with myself when I did get him. It's not even like you take that big a hit in terms of supplies when you die and repspawn in a Big Daddy fight, because as soon as you do get him he usually seems to have a fair bit of money on him. So you can just go hack the nearest vending machine and buy back a decent amount of health packs and eve hypos to get yourself back on track. It's an absolutely bizarre system, I think.

That's my only real complaint so far though.

[Andy]

What difficulty are you playing on?

[Only1FilipSebo]

Yeah, it really is bugging me quite a bit. I've taken a few Big Daddys down now. I've come close to getting one without being killed but he got me with just a bit of health remaining, so I just respawned and finished him off. It really does remove any real sense of accomplishment when you kill one. I mean sure, I would have been pissed off if I had to fight the fucker all over again from scratch when I nearly had him, but I would have done it. And I would have been much more pleased with myself when I did get him. It's not even like you take that big a hit in terms of supplies when you die and repspawn in a Big Daddy fight, because as soon as you do get him he usually seems to have a fair bit of money on him. So you can just go hack the nearest vending machine and buy back a decent amount of health packs and eve hypos to get yourself back on track. It's an absolutely bizarre system, I think.

That's my only real complaint so far though.
I found myself with masses more health post Big Daddy fight compared to pre Big daddy fight. Its wrong when the games most challanging foes can be used solely to top up health and ammo.

[Alex]

What difficulty are you playing on?

Medium.

[Only1FilipSebo]

What difficulty are you playing on?
Medium, Why ?

[ItalAussie]

Yeah, it really is bugging me quite a bit. I've taken a few Big Daddys down now. I've come close to getting one without being killed but he got me with just a bit of health remaining, so I just respawned and finished him off. It really does remove any real sense of accomplishment when you kill one. I mean sure, I would have been pissed off if I had to fight the fucker all over again from scratch when I nearly had him, but I would have done it. And I would have been much more pleased with myself when I did get him. It's not even like you take that big a hit in terms of supplies when you die and repspawn in a Big Daddy fight, because as soon as you do get him he usually seems to have a fair bit of money on him. So you can just go hack the nearest vending machine and buy back a decent amount of health packs and eve hypos to get yourself back on track. It's an absolutely bizarre system, I think.

That's my only real complaint so far though.It sounds like there is no real penalty for dying.

That would annoy me. It may be the only flaw you've found, but it sounds like a pretty significant one.

[Only1FilipSebo]

It sounds like there is no real penalty for dying.

That would annoy me. It may be the only flaw you've found, but it sounds like a pretty significant one.
It is.
If anything dying is a bonus as it can be used to boost your health and plasmid energy.
I wish there was a way of turning it off.

[Alex]

It sounds like there is no real penalty for dying.

That would annoy me. It may be the only flaw you've found, but it sounds like a pretty significant one.

I agree, it is significant. The longer I play it the more it's going to annoy me, I think. A simple option to turn it off would improve things no end. Surely it wouldn't have been hard to make it so the respawn points could be changed into checkpoints that you reload at, with everything as it was when you first passed it.

[Boydy]

I want. :(

[The Pongo]

Saw the Bioshock advert on TV last night.

Bioshock and DiRT are still in their respective wrappers.

TV has been despatched though :thbgrin:

[Smiffy**]

I thought there was a games thread. Why is this so special?

Because Fry started the thread.

Such rules go out the window then. :checkit:

[The Pongo]

Fry is right, he has good input in the Gamezine thread and all the Bioshock talk would have meant him staying away from it until he gets a 360.

[Raoul Duke]

I've just come up to my first Little Sister. Now to decide what to do with her. There's something that irks me about nuking a little kid even though it's not real :moop:

[ItalAussie]

Because Fry started the thread.

Such rules go out the window then. :checkit:
We've had heaps of threads for individual games. GTA, Oblivion, etc.

In general, if a game is huge enough to dominate the Gamezine thread for a while, it's worth dumping it in a thread of it's own.

[Shindig]

It sounds like there is no real penalty for dying.

That would annoy me. It may be the only flaw you've found, but it sounds like a pretty significant one.

Aye, it's there basically for the player to try more than one way through an area. That's how it was intended but it really belittles Big Daddy and boss fights. Unless the splicers you're up against have a nearby healing station.

Also a slight pain if it results in you spawning at your goal destination. There's one that dumps you right outside the Fisheries entrance. Still, all this can be worked around with reloading saved games. Doesn't take long and is much preferred.

[Raoul Duke]

I've now saved three of them :thbup:

I think there's something fishy about this Atlas guy. For someone who's so keen for me to save his wife and kid he seems pretty nonchalant about me killing the Little Sisters. I suspect he'll try and eat my brain when I do finally meet him :(

[Shindig]

Into Arcadia.

I think there's something fishy about this Atlas guy. For someone who's so keen for me to save his wife and kid he seems pretty nonchalant about me killing the Little Sisters. I suspect he'll try and eat my brain when I do finally meet him

Slightly sympathetic towards him, now. Andrew Ryan's taking on a villainous prescence, now. Like Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now or Orson Welles.

[Alex]

He keeps calls me on the shortwave to remind me about his wife and kids because I'm not getting things done straight away. :D

I'm after the pictures of the 3 spider splicers, but I seem to have taken somewhat of a detour and just started exploring the area a bit.

[Shindig]

My detour was purely because I got lost. You're not far off me, then.

[Mungo]

I just ordered mine for PC, hoping to run it with DX10 with my GT8600, E6600 and 4GB RAM.

[Shindig]

Soundtrack's nice but brief. Apparently DX10 doesn't make too much of a difference, Mungo. Still, no need to show off. :(

[Mungo]

Im not too sure if my 8600 will run it as well as i would like. Ive got a nice new cooler in the post though, so i'll notch my CPU up 600MHz and hopefully all will be fine.

[Shindig]

Try the demo before it arrives, if you're that worried.

[Vcassano]

Im not too sure if my 8600 will run it as well as i would like. Ive got a nice new cooler in the post though, so i'll notch my CPU up 600MHz and hopefully all will be fine.

Check on here:

http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srtest

[eltharion_doa]

It's hard to tell where the hype ends and the good game starts with Bioshock.

I need to buy a new hard disk to play it. Not sure I can be fucked.

[Boydy]

I had a dream last night where I was running around town trying to find a shop which still had this in stock.

[Mike]

If you buy the game via steam, can you burn the files to a DVD, so you have a hard copy for the future?

I know you can with CS:S

[Shindig]

Did you find it, then? :D

People are knocking points off for it's combat but, to be honest, I never bought it for it's combat. I just like running around and turning a room over.

[Boydy]

No. I woke up and realised I have no money. :(

[eltharion_doa]

It's available on CD WOW for £25 inc delivery. Bargain. PC of course, I don't give a shit what it's selling for on Xbox :D

Also note if you plan on playing it on PC, you'll need a video card that's DX9.0 compatible.

[David Challoner]

£24.98 on Amazon.co.uk due 13th to 18th of September.

MOH: Airborne around the same time.

Crysis the day after.

I'm going to be shooting shit for a long time to come hopefully.

[David Challoner]

In fact, Amazon is once again lying to me. Bioshock is £24.99, and for some reason they have switched my order to a Collectors Edition tinned version?!? so should be here in less than a week.

Airborne is due out sometime after the 14th of September.

Crysis is November 18th....

I'm a bit bemused as to why it reported completely different dates previously.

Lying toads.

[David Challoner]

And lying to me again....the Tinned version is now available for delivery right away with 1 in stock. Wtf mate?

[Shindig]

Don't you hate it when an FPS gets you to search for a needle in a haystack? I've got one jar of something to find for that wifey and I can't find it.

And I'm respawning constantly because there's fuck all in medkits and ammo and vending machines. And plenty of splicers.

[JordInc.]

This game is class. At the part where you have to photograph 3 Spider Splicers. Keep coming across Leadhead Splicers.

Love the atmosphere, and the combat is not bad I would say. The nature of the splicers keeps it interesting, sort of makes up for the lack of feeling in the weapons.

[Freddie]

Its a good game. I just got the telekenisis. Haven't got much time available at the moment

[Matt]

I've read a couple of things about BioShock being badly infected with RootKits and DRM infections to the point of screwing computers up. Typical Sony - they've done it before with music CD's and got done in a class action in the US for deliberatly faulty software, hence I shall not be getting a (legal) copy of the game. I'm happy to buy it without the DRM/RootKits, but not with. Plus you can only install it twice before it fucks up (I tend to install and uninstall quite a few times.

[Raoul Duke]

I've read a couple of things about BioShock being badly infected with RootKits and DRM infections to the point of screwing computers up. Typical Sony - they've done it before with music CD's and got done in a class action in the US for deliberatly faulty software, hence I shall not be getting a (legal) copy of the game. I'm happy to buy it without the DRM/RootKits, but not with. Plus you can only install it twice before it fucks up (I tend to install and uninstall quite a few times.

The rootkit thing is bollocks. See here (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070826-clearing-the-air-bioshock-does-not-contain-a-rootkit.html).

Also I believe the multi-install thing has been fixed. There was something I read on their site saying that they've made a piece of software which can retrieve/free up your registration code so you can re-install it elsewhere. They also upped the minimum amount of install from scratch to 5.

I'm just on my way to Ryan's house now. I'm fully kitted out with six plasmids although due to my nice guy policy (rescuing all the sisters) I'm a bit low on combat tonics and the like. Still, kickass game.

[eltharion_doa]

Whoever Matt listens to about games needs to stop lying.

You can install it on up to five computers simultaneously, three times on each computer, and every uninstall removes an install ticket so as long as you uninstall it instead of throwing your hard disk away you'll never even notice :cab:

Plus, as they say, they've got a tool that resets the install count.

The rootkit thing is just utter toss from someone who doesn't understand the way SecureROM works.

[Shindig]

Just seen 'the twist'. Fucking hell. Wool over my eyes. Knocked it down to Easy during the latter stages because I wanted to finish the game sooner rather than later. Took one about 5 daddies.

You have to beat the Big Daddies to progress. I'm just giddy because I've possibly seen the best scene in gaming ever. :)

[Andy]

Might sounds stupid but how do I play Bioshock online through my 360, i've got Xbox live setup I just don't know how to get into Bioshock online.

[Andy]

Just completed it, bit too short to be honest.

[Shindig]

Bioshock has no online stuff. It's advertised in the manual but that's because Micorsoft are tossers. Short? Is it bollocks.

[Andy]

Fair enough, ill give it a crack on hard in a bit. Have you finished it Shindig, I thought the end fight was awesome.

[Shindig]

Not yet. I'm in the middle of...

Chasing Fontaine

but first I have to...

Become a Big Daddy

[deathstar99x]

Wow, what a game. I just started playing it today and i am so impressed, i've just defeated my first big daddy. I harvested both of the little sisters, does that make me a bad person? :cry:

[Andy]

Wow, what a game. I just started playing it today and i am so impressed, i've just defeated my first big daddy. I harvested both of the little sisters, does that make me a bad person? :cry:

Evil :thbdn:

[deathstar99x]

Evil :thbdn:

More ADAM = WIN WIN

[Shindig]

Done. The last boss was very manic, I'd never survive that on Medium, without a bit of practice. Got the gay happy ending.

9/10. I'd give it a proper run-through to take up whatever I missed out on.

[Matt]

The rootkit thing is bollocks. See here (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070826-clearing-the-air-bioshock-does-not-contain-a-rootkit.html).

Whoever Matt listens to about games needs to stop lying.

OK, so it may not be a rook kit, but the last paragraph says it all...

Systems like SecuROM attempt to defeat common modes of piracy, but are indeed loathsome to gamers, as they quite often cause problems for legitimate users who have paid full fare for their games. They also make it difficult for gamers to move game data to a hard drive for easier play and quicker access.

My point is that that the anti piracy measures are starting to affect ligitimate users such as myself, and will push them towards pirated and ripped versions. I do not want Sony to have the ability to control how many times I install the game. Say they, for some reason, decide to prevent anyone playing the game at all (e.g. some legal case) - they have this ability, but why should they as I have paid my money (or not as I ain't getting the game)

I wouldn't be so harsh, but Sony do have prior for mischevious software that fucks peoples computers up, and I suspect that they are capable of it again, whether on purpose or by mistake.

[Andy]

Done. The last boss was very manic, I'd never survive that on Medium, without a bit of practice. Got the gay happy ending.

9/10. I'd give it a proper run-through to take up whatever I missed out on.

I'm going to go through again and kill all the little sisters, should be quite a different game. The end fight is one of the best i've ever seen.

[Shindig]

Strikes me a bit like Solidus from MGS2, really. Just keep moving and shoot. End.

[Raoul Duke]

I've been playing this all day pretty much and I'm near the end now (second to last stage). It's definitely very reminiscent of Deus Ex. The story is cracking, there aren't any punches pulled and I want to keep playing purely to see how it ends.

On the negative side the combat is a little samey and the weapons aren't very inspiring. The later levels aren't as graphically nice as the first few either.

Oh and Shindig:


I told you there was something fishy about Atlas :checkit:

[eltharion_doa]

My point is that that the anti piracy measures are starting to affect ligitimate users such as myself, and will push them towards pirated and ripped versions. I do not want Sony to have the ability to control how many times I install the game. Say they, for some reason, decide to prevent anyone playing the game at all (e.g. some legal case) - they have this ability, but why should they as I have paid my money (or not as I ain't getting the game)


They've been pushing legit users toward piracy for ages, there's nothing new about Bioshock's copy protection. A lot of new A+ titles have online activation and the new forms of SecureROM. Which is why this story is so much balss, probably some contrary wanker desperate to criticise such a great game and so making up pure bullshit.

There's not a lot you can do about it, unfortunately, apart from not buying it which defeats the purpose. Personally, I advocate buying a retail copy, leaving it in it's box and playing hacked versions - that's what I did with HL2 because I wasn't going to put up with Steam's bloated corpse stinking up my hard disk.

[Shindig]

On the negative side the combat is a little samey and the weapons aren't very inspiring. The later levels aren't as graphically nice as the first few either.


Nah, I loved Prometheus Point and the Orphanage.

[Shindig]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qDcY-z2bi-8

And the twist is youtubed. Huraah!

[Raoul Duke]

Just completed it. Nice ending sequence although a bit short. I think that's been one of the most enjoyable games I've played in a long while.

Are there multiple endings to it?

[Shindig]

3 of them, yes. I got the good ending. There's obviously a bad one and another which I've no idea about.

[eltharion_doa]

There's only two endings, depending on whether you largely saved or largely harvested Little Sisters.

[Shindig]

Gamespot reckons there's reportedly 3. Can't see how they'd manufacture a third, though.

[eltharion_doa]

There's a slightly different voiceover to the bad ending if you managed to kill every single last Little Sister, rather than just most of them, but that's it apparently.

[Shindig]

Some are suggesting you get a third ending by doing nothing with the sisters, but it's just hearsay at the moment.

[eltharion_doa]

Apparently some guy hacked the video sytem with a standalone player and viewed the "three" endings and that's where the voiceover explanation comes from.

Somebody with no life needs to finish the game 4 or 5 times so we can have a definitive answer.

[Raoul Duke]

Some are suggesting you get a third ending by doing nothing with the sisters, but it's just hearsay at the moment.

That would make sense. Also possibly by not using any plasmids throughout the game. That would be kinda boring :nono:

[Dark Soldier]

Bought it Friday. Played 15 minutes so far.

AWESOME!

[Shindig]

Plasmids are pretty essential to the game, though. There's not enough ammo, in my opinion.

[Vcassano]

Bought it Friday. Played 15 minutes so far.

AWESOME!

Ditto, my Xbox 360 just arrived. It is genuinely scary, which I'd heard it was but I initially thought it was just exaggeration. The guns are a little underwhelming, so the wrench is my weapon of choice though this really isn't that bad as it encourages the use of plasmids which are far, far better.

Got my first tonic - increase wrench strength which was useful :)

[Dark Soldier]

Ditto, my Xbox 360 just arrived. It is genuinely scary, which I'd heard it was but I initially thought it was just exaggeration. The guns are a little underwhelming, so the wrench is my weapon of choice though this really isn't that bad as it encourages the use of plasmids which are far, far better.

Got my first tonic - increase wrench strength which was useful :)

I actually played for over 2 hours on Sunday night, but I was pretty much wrecked so haven't a clue what I did.

Gonna restart it in a bit.

[Shindig]

I really want to start this again but I've got other games to finish. Mainly to pick up the chunks of story I missed.

[Raoul Duke]

My most used Plasmid was the electroshock one. Zap them with that and then a few machine gun rounds to the head to finish them. I found I used the crossbow the least of all the weapons.

The most interesting ones plasmids are Telekinesis and the Enrage one. I loved sending some poor Splicer off to have a ruck with a Big Daddy and watching them get a pounding :lol:

[Dark Soldier]

My most used Plasmid was the electroshock one. Zap them with that and then a few machine gun rounds to the head to finish them. I found I used the crossbow the least of all the weapons.

The most interesting ones plasmids are Telekinesis and the Enrage one. I loved sending some poor Splicer off to have a ruck with a Big Daddy and watching them get a pounding :lol:

Yes, cheers for fucking up parts of the game.

Classic.

[Vcassano]

The first time you see a Big Daddy attack is quite an experience :(

[Mike]

Just returned from town with Bioshock. The nerd in GAME tried to sell me some special one with a toy. I turned him down.

Its G1 Jockey time now though.

[Raoul Duke]

Yes, cheers for fucking up parts of the game.

Classic.

Um, how exactly? There's nothing in that post that you wouldn't find in a review or in the manual :moop:

[Dark Soldier]

Um, how exactly? There's nothing in that post that you wouldn't find in a review or in the manual :moop:

Firstly, I don't read reviews/manuals. Except Edge.

Secondly, I don't(well, didn't) know what the fuck enrage or telekinesis was.

So, yes.

Have that.

[eltharion_doa]

Plasmids are pretty essential to the game, though. There's not enough ammo, in my opinion.

I've seen a number of people say the exact opposite :D "The game's too easy, one or two guns are overpowering" etc.

[eltharion_doa]

I found I used the crossbow the least of all the weapons.


I've read a lot of comments that it's the best weapon :D

Bioshock's so good people can't even agree on what the slight-not-as-brilliant-as-the-rest bits are...

[Shindig]

I was in two minds until the twist arrived. Now I'm firmly convinced it's great. And the artwork book shows it could've ended up looking a right melon. And the soundtrack is classy.

EDIT: The crossbow is without any doubt, the most efficient weapon.

[Alex]

Plasmids are pretty essential to the game, though. There's not enough ammo, in my opinion.

They're essential to actually progressing at times, aren't they?

I seem to remember a point in the game where you need to use telekinesis to catch a grenade thrown by a splicer and hurl it at a door to clear some rubble that's blocking you. The same with using incinerate to melt some doors and shit that are frozen over.

[Dark Soldier]

Okami still pwns any recent game.

[Vcassano]

A couple of questions:

Does the number of Little sisters thing on the menu mean the amount left or just the amount in the level? I've forgotten how many I've done thus far and don't want to leave any.

Do Big Daddy's respawn because I've seen 4 on the first level where they appear?

[Raoul Duke]

A couple of questions:

Does the number of Little sisters thing on the menu mean the amount left or just the amount in the level? I've forgotten how many I've done thus far and don't want to leave any.

That's how many are on that level. The icon changes depending on their status - with a Big Daddy/Rescued/Harvested.


Do Big Daddy's respawn because I've seen 4 on the first level where they appear?

There are more wandering around than there are Little Sisters. Not sure if they respawn or if there's just more of them. They wont attack unless provoked or if you threaten the Little Sister they are shepherding.

[Vcassano]

That's how many are on that level. The icon changes depending on their status - with a Big Daddy/Rescued/Harvested.



There are more wandering around than there are Little Sisters. Not sure if they respawn or if there's just more of them. They wont attack unless provoked or if you threaten the Little Sister they are shepherding.

Thanks, seems that since these remaining Big Daddy's aren't with Little Sisters I can get moving on then :)

[eltharion_doa]

Big Daddies are essentially unlimited, from what I've gathered.

Watching the Big Daddies interact with the environment when they're not protecting a Little Sister is supposed to be quite eerie.

[Vcassano]

It is, they search these little holes in the wall furiously as they search for their charge.

Freezing then wrenching splicers is very fun :D It is worth not getting any loot. Hypnotise Big Daddy is another brilliant plasmid :)

[Shindig]

Seen the other 'two' endings. Shame the ending's all summarised, really.

[Luther Blissett]

I may play this game someday. I'm lagging behind when it comes to games these days. Hardly have time to play them, mind. I'm only playing Neverwinter Nights 2 now.

[TG]

Definitely game of the year. Partly because the other contenders are a no show or the on-time competition is bollocks.

I saved the first one. A glitch meant she was doing the Running Man whilst some dialogue was being wittled through. Even the glitches are lovely.

PC versions are having trouble with 2K activation and making Steam do crazy things.

There was a big article on this activation problem on theregister.com website. Loads of people saying they wont be buying the game due to this. Shame really!

i will be getting this for the 360 on friday. :thbup:

[eltharion_doa]

The activation problem was caused by the server crashing due to demand, it's been fixed for ages :cab:

[Dark Soldier]

Played it sober last night from the start, got about 2 hours in.

Fuck the gravity gun, telekinesis is what it's about.

Whatever 'it' is.

[Shindig]

You can kill people with high-velocity paper masks. Started it again on Medium. Renegerated after the first Splicer onslaught which pissed me off. Kept missing the pool with Electro Bolt.

[Dark Soldier]

You can kill people with high-velocity paper masks. Started it again on Medium. Renegerated after the first Splicer onslaught which pissed me off. Kept missing the pool with Electro Bolt.

Ninja Gaiden, now Bioshock.

You really are shit :D

[Alex]

Got the crossbow last night, it's a beast of a weapon. Even the Big Daddys aren't a massive challenge when using it, a few well placed bolts seems to dispatch them without much trouble. I think I might be coming close to completing it, I'm not sure though:

I'm on my way to Andrew Ryans office, but I've had to make a detour to overload the core in order to get in, or something like that.

[Shindig]

Nah, I'm actually quite decent at Bioshock. Just didn't press B quick enough.

Alex, bask in Ryan. BASK!

[Poolboy]

Went round to me mates before and played this on his beasty PC. Played the first 20 minutes.

:drool:

Gorgeous game, and fairly exciting gameplay too. Love stunning people then lining up a headshot. Beautiful. :D

[Vcassano]

Just got to Arcadia, the Houdini's scare the crap out of me :( . Thankfully I got a tonic to help with 'stealth-wrenching'. Still want camouflage though so I can max out my research.

[Shindig]

I missed out on that tonic thanks to a Vita Chamber. I only recently discovered you can zoom in with Pistols, Shotguns and Machine Guns.

[Dark Soldier]

I missed out on that tonic thanks to a Vita Chamber. I only recently discovered you can zoom in with Pistols, Shotguns and Machine Guns.

[ResistTemptation]

[Shindig]

Temptation for what? The location of the tonic. You'll spot it sooner or later. Plus you can get it through other, more expensive means.

[Dark Soldier]

Temptation for what? The location of the tonic. You'll spot it sooner or later. Plus you can get it through other, more expensive means.

RE:

Zooming in.

[ResistsTemptationAgain]

[Bigpapa42]

Finally got through it for the first time last night. Liked the ending. Great game. Definitely going to be trying to go through it again to try to do things differently.

[Shindig]

Zooming in is possible by clicking in the right-stick. Not sure if it's in the manual (never really read it) but I was told by one of those tips they give out when you load up a game.

[Alex]

Nah, I'm actually quite decent at Bioshock. Just didn't press B quick enough.

Alex, bask in Ryan. BASK!

That was excellent.

The whole 'Would you kindly'/Atlas turning out to be Fontaine business, I mean. Great twist. I'm in Olympus Heights now, on my way to break Fontaine's control over my mind.

[David Challoner]

So far, possibly the most overrated game ever. Barring Halo of course. Though Halo redeems itself by having rather fun multiplayer.

- Graphically...errr, a bit nice I suppose. I'll give it kudos for lighting and some of nice effects but I was expecting more. I am notoriously difficut to satisfy. I mean I like them, some of the touches are nice and the maps are well detailed, and I love the effect of lighting on wood floorboards vs blood vs water vs plain concrete - but then I kind of expected that. What I didn't expect is pretty limited impact damage...destructability of environment (even though the concept was thoroughly well founded 6 years ago with Red Faction) still hasn't emerged properly. Wow, I can smash a light! I can throw a canister? Big fucking woop.

- Sound. Nice ambience, incidental sounds and such. Sick of the Irishman already.

- Controls. I HATE BEING BABIED! God you can tell it's a console game - just like Halo's port. I want lean functions, now!

- Gameplay. Nothing in it that wasn't done far far far far far far far far far far better by System Shock and SS2. And I mean it. A game 10 years old has this ones development in its little pocket. Not that the homage is a bad thing, just that it's a pale imitation. I mean the whole menu system is pointless, poorly thought through and confusing. AI sucks.

So far game consists of shooting, getting shot, taking pictures, running around enemies in circles and about 0 tactics. For Hard settings it's a piece of piss.

Overall - 3/5.

F.E.A.R. is a better shooter/more tension.
Prey was just as pretty; though without many of the nice touches.
System Shock 2 plain rocks its boat in terms of plot, inventory and development.

I'll play it, but only because I paid for the fucker and its tepid gameplay.

Actually - saying that, I do rather enjoy hacking shit.

I'd have preferred System Shock 2 remade in this engine. That would be beautiful.

[Shindig]

Dave, you're being a bit harsh. Although it is flawed and overrated by critical ejaculates.

At times it invites you to try things but ultimately, it's on rails and, once you have the means, you can just blow everything apart.

In terms of plot, I'd say Bioshock's is better than System Shock 2. Problem with the game is that it makes a big deal about it's open-ended combat and yet, you can't really use it until you're way, way down the line.

I like this game, though. Really like it, despite the frustrations it'll start to throw at you. You can't really use tactics against Splicers, mainly because they're jittery berks that just strafe like hell.

[David Challoner]

Better plot? This actually has a plot?

My first response to the Irishman would have been "Fuck your kids, I'm getting out of here - there'll be a rescue plane along at any minute" and end of the game right there.

After that it's just toshy fetch and carry missions.

Thief and Thief2 ultimately have the bestest plots ever, and Deus Ex. And Half Life.

[Mike]

I played some more today, and it keeps making me jump :( I am such a wuss.

[Shindig]

The plot is the backstory of how Rapture went tits up. They have a rather crappy way of telling us why you do what you do in the game but ultimately, the way it's played out is really, really tremendous.

[eltharion_doa]

People citing Deus Ex's C-grade sci-fi conspiracy shite as evidence of a good plot lose any credibility in criticising another game's plot.

Dave obviously doesn't read manuals, because he can turn off all of the interface "babying".

As for enviromental destructability, considered Red Faction was a fucking terrible game, I'm not surprised hardly anyone else has followed it. And of course once you got past the first third of the game, later levels were 70% made of magical indestructible walls anyway.

I think Dave just wanted to dislike it because it's a "console" game so he's not giving it a chance :nodd:

[Shindig]

I know you can turn the goal arrows off but they only really 'intrude' to point you momentarily in the right direction. Besides, you fucking need it in Arcadia.

[Fandan]

Really enjoying it so far.

I am up to the bit where You need to find chlorophyll and enzymes to make something That better not be tedious.

I love how the Big Daddy gets the little sisters. I followed one around and saw it banging the wall and one didn't come out and it made an angry noise and went looking again.

[Shindig]

The Enzymes part is somewhat tedious. And the first time the spawning looks gamey. I need to get my arsenal back up after the Fisheries.

[(the bruce)]

Wasn't sure about buying Bioshock or not but having finally bothered to read the reviews and such about it I've just ordered it from Gameplay.

So it should be ready for playing over the weekend :thbup:

[David Challoner]

People citing Deus Ex's C-grade sci-fi conspiracy shite as evidence of a good plot lose any credibility in criticising another game's plot.

Dave obviously doesn't read manuals, because he can turn off all of the interface "babying".

As for enviromental destructability, considered Red Faction was a fucking terrible game, I'm not surprised hardly anyone else has followed it. And of course once you got past the first third of the game, later levels were 70% made of magical indestructible walls anyway.

I think Dave just wanted to dislike it because it's a "console" game so he's not giving it a chance :nodd:

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I like Deus Ex, but System Shock 2 really pwns it. And I have the babying turned off - and it's still shite.

As for destructability. Yeah Red Faction was flawed - but the destructability was underused, but great potential; particularly if instead of the massive landcape sculpting explosions they just went for low level impact chiselling like they could certainly manage these days.

Sometimes I just hate walls y'know. And locked doors. And feel one good grenade or lump of dynamite would shorten a level considerably.

And I didn't want to hate this, in fact I hoped (beyond all hope of hopes) that this would actually prove me wrong and that I'd love love love it. Instead it's like my Halo experience all over again. By no means a bad game - but nowhere near what it could have been (so far) and even considerably below Prey and FEAR in terms of fun factor.

[eltharion_doa]

Don't let anyone around here know you don't think Prey is shit, it's a pariah game.

I've never really noticed the lack of leaning in games to be honest, I never use it when it's there except in a stealth-em-up which isn't really what Bioshock is about.

System Shock 2's my favourite game of all time, incidently.

[Magic Johnson]

It's awesome, I've got it for the PC, it's fantastic. Creepy shit as well, scary if you've got the lights turned out at night. Multiplayer would be very interesting indeed.

[Freddie]

It's awesome, I've got it for the PC, it's fantastic. Creepy shit as well, scary if you've got the lights turned out at night. Multiplayer would be very interesting indeed.

Havn't seen that before? :checkit:

[Magic Johnson]

Havn't seen that before? :checkit:

:moop:

[Raoul Duke]

Hidden extra plasmids in BioShock? Link-me-do (http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/09/06/new-plasmids-found-locked-in-the-code-of-bioshock)

:sherlock:

[Shindig]

No doubt Microsoft will charge for this.

[The Pongo]

Taking Bioshock too seriously :chief:

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2524/bigaddyzw4fv7.jpg

[Shindig]

Blitzed through the Lazerus Vector. Seems Incinerate attracts bees. Also managed a point-blank shotgun stealth kill.

One shot, downed.

[Magic Johnson]

I'm only at the medical pavilion. I've got an extremely short attention span.

[Alex]

No doubt Microsoft will charge for this.

Probably. And there's absolutely zero chance of me paying anything for a few more plasmids.

[(the bruce)]

Blitzed through the Lazerus Vector. Seems Incinerate attracts bees. Also managed a point-blank shotgun stealth kill.

One shot, downed.

Just looking for the final enzyme from the bee's. The fact that splicers come out everytime you set off the smoke is highly annoying :nono:

[Raoul Duke]

Just looking for the final enzyme from the bee's. The fact that splicers come out everytime you set off the smoke is highly annoying :nono:

I found the easiest thing to do was lob Enrage at them and then ignore them.

I don't think those extra plasmids will be released to be honest. I reckon they were just ones which didn't make the cut but were still left in the engine. I reckon they will bring out and expansion pack at some point though and there's a chance they'll put some new widgets in that.

[niko_cee]

6 months late maybe, but I just got this recently.

Bit behind in my gaming see.

Anyhoos, I'm stuck in Mercury Suites trying to get into the pap's flat where the code for the lift is. Just killing time and bouncers really, which is immensely fun with a few well placed trap bolts. Silly fuckers.

:D

[TG]

I have got far on this, well i think anyway. I just got to the bit where the sub blows up and mateys wife dies. I walked through the door and the game crashes. I have to borrow another mates game to see if it is the CD.

[niko_cee]

That's not that far.

Figured out my problem, apparently I'd already found the code.

I am loving these trap bolts.

I don't think I've developed/obtained that many plasmids though as when my guy went a bit loopy I had loads of new cool ones.

[Shindig]

That happens in the latter stages. You get the lot at random intervals.

[Vercetti]

I'm stuck right at the beginning, and due to this have struggled to get into it at all. Hasn't grabbed me yet at all.

[Shindig]

You telling me the plane crash and Welcome to Rapture didn't do anything?

Still, it starts off good and then drifts off.

[TG]

It does grab you after you start get the powers, i love the freeze one.

[Raoul Duke]

It does grab you after you start get the powers, i love the freeze one.

You don't get any loot if you freeze then kill them though.

The electric shock one is the most useful and telekinesis is the most fun but not all that handy.

[Shindig]

Fire and shock are my favoured ones. As is Hypnotise Big Daddy.

EDIT: And Telekenisis.

[Vcassano]

The Wrench/Super Strength powers are by far the best. Especially since the guns are so boring to use.

[TG]

You don't get any loot if you freeze then kill them though.

The electric shock one is the most useful and telekinesis is the most fun but not all that handy.

Agreed with that, the freeze I use if there are a lot of baddies about so I just freeze a few and kill the rest.

[TG]

Still got ages of this game to play. So much to do, things to collect and kill. Might have to stay in this weekend.

[eltharion_doa]

Plasmids are pretty essential to the game, though. There's not enough ammo, in my opinion.

"You cannot carry any more of that ammunition type"
"Your wallet is already full"

Bane of my fucking existance.

[Fry Crayola]

In timely fashion, I've only recently played this (despite having owned it since last January), and finally completed it tonight.

Atmospherically, it's terrific, leading to a reverse of the norm - the levels haven't been crafted to provide an excuse for the gameplay elements, but instead it's the other way around. Rapture has been crafted. The 50s stylings of the dystopic society, laying in ruin in the aftermath of a bloody civil war give it an otherworldly feeling that is recognisably its own, not resorting to established cliché. It's a world I felt I wanted to explore more of.

It's just as well the design was up to such high standard because the gameplay was by the numbers throughout, and 2007 wasn't that long ago either. There's nothing explicitly bad about it, it's just all a bit perfunctory, and lacking in imagination. It seemed crying out for some set pieces, yet after your first encounter with a Big Daddy they get relegated to "tough enemy" status should you decide to fight them, with nothing left to fill the gap.

The more accustomed to Rapture I became, the less excitement I had, and that was its biggest failing. In the end I'm thankful for the Vita-Chambers, not because I died a lot (and I did - Big Daddies can prove quite tricky when you've only got a pistol), but because they let me get on with what I saw as the meat of the game - uncovering the events of the past, progressing deeper into the city and reaching its conclusion.

It's a shame, then, to have a game so well designed in one area, and so underwhelming in the other. Despite liking the game quite a lot, I can't help but be disappointed, and if the sequel beefs up the interaction, there's always a chance that the first time feeling can't be recaptured.

[eltharion_doa]

What difficulty did you play it on, Fry?

[Fry Crayola]

I played through on medium. I'd perhaps be interested in a replay if the AI significantly changes on harder skill levels, Halo style, but not otherwise.

[Dark Soldier]

Did you collect all the audio tapes?

[Fry Crayola]

I didn't, though not for lack of trying. I explored virtually every nook and cranny in the game, with a few exceptions.

[Dark Soldier]

Worth a re-play through to collect them all, tbh. There's a hell of a lot of plot in there.

[Fry Crayola]

Without knowing exactly how many there are, I'd say I've probably got a good 90% at least.

I'm not one though for trawling through a game for collectibles. I recognise that they're the primary means through which the story is conveyed, and I think that the ones I did collect gave me what I needed to know

[Dark Soldier]

Nor am I, but this is one game where, to get the full experience, its near essential to have 100% of the audio tapes. I only got about 70% on my first play through, went through it again a few months later, got 100% and it blew my mind how much work had been put into the game.

[leedsrevolution]

Bio Shock two out soon? Your a big daddy apprently, SHIT - HOT

[bennymc]

In timely fashion, I've only recently played this (despite having owned it since last January), and finally completed it tonight.

Atmospherically, it's terrific, leading to a reverse of the norm - the levels haven't been crafted to provide an excuse for the gameplay elements, but instead it's the other way around. Rapture has been crafted. The 50s stylings of the dystopic society, laying in ruin in the aftermath of a bloody civil war give it an otherworldly feeling that is recognisably its own, not resorting to established cliché. It's a world I felt I wanted to explore more of.

It's just as well the design was up to such high standard because the gameplay was by the numbers throughout, and 2007 wasn't that long ago either. There's nothing explicitly bad about it, it's just all a bit perfunctory, and lacking in imagination. It seemed crying out for some set pieces, yet after your first encounter with a Big Daddy they get relegated to "tough enemy" status should you decide to fight them, with nothing left to fill the gap.

The more accustomed to Rapture I became, the less excitement I had, and that was its biggest failing. In the end I'm thankful for the Vita-Chambers, not because I died a lot (and I did - Big Daddies can prove quite tricky when you've only got a pistol), but because they let me get on with what I saw as the meat of the game - uncovering the events of the past, progressing deeper into the city and reaching its conclusion.

It's a shame, then, to have a game so well designed in one area, and so underwhelming in the other. Despite liking the game quite a lot, I can't help but be disappointed, and if the sequel beefs up the interaction, there's always a chance that the first time feeling can't be recaptured.

Gota say I agree with this.

Found the whole thing very underwhelming, especially the final boss and the endings, miserably anti-climatic.

Plot twist was cool, and I liked the environment, but I thought the controls were fiddly at the best of times, downright infuriating at the worst.

Hopefully the second incarnation will be much improved.

[Yevrah]

What the fuck is the Bioshock 2 tv advert all about?

It makes that ad for the Harry Potter game a few years back look like a 100% representation of what the game looked like.

[(the bruce)]

The multiplayer in Bioshock 2 is the worst I've played in a long time.

Thankfully the single player is as atmospheric and intriguing as the first. :thbup:

[Shindig]

Good, cos that's why I'm buying it. One of the underlooked flaws (at least it passed me by) is the fact the game doesn't autosave nearly enough.

[jcpcelt]

The multiplayer in Bioshock 2 is the worst I've played in a long time.

Thankfully the single player is as atmospheric and intriguing as the first. :thbup:

They should never had added multi.
What's the point?

Bioshock like Systemshock and Half Life before is a game steeped in brilliant atmosphere within an amazingly realised environmennt with a film-quality narrative.
It's single player as fuck.

i'm enjoying 2, but for me the original is best game of the current gen...

[Magic Johnson]

Fuck sake why is it £15 dearer on the PS3?

[JoseFelipe]

Im finally jumping on the bandwagon as late as it is. Playing Bioshock now on xbox as Ive placed an order for Bioshock 2.
Quite enjoying it. :D

[predOr]

Im finally jumping on the bandwagon as late as it is. Playing Bioshock now on xbox as Ive placed an order for Bioshock 2.
Quite enjoying it. :D

I'm on the same boat :thbgrin:

So far the game is excellent, I've got the second one ready to play whenever (and I look forward to drilling the shit out of enemies as a big daddy).

Atmosphere is great, honestly, I'm still not entirely used to it yet as I'm still finding myself creeping around dark rooms not sure if something is going to jump out and attack.

First light switch going out when you see the splicer operating on a corpse, then all of a sudden he is gone, collect the tape them boom, round the corner he jumps out from the freezers, I actually jumped. Shotgun part was good, pitch black with one little bit of light, enemies all around. I also defeated the female spider splicer by hypnotizing a big daddy to rape fuck out of her :D
Only thing I find slightly annoying is I constantly find ammo everywhere, that I can't pick up. I would of loved a machine that allows you to sell excess ammo for dollars, or eve. Also the hacking system is very very stressful, when you have to hack a harder machine quickly, taking time to turn over the "?" boxes is extremely frustrating.

Apart from that its great. I think the turrets and camera's are great (albeit I get captured by nearly every camera...). Enemies are good, kinda insane, but still decent. AI is alright too, if you're not quick you're basically dead, and I enjoy harvesting or saving the little sisters.

The story is immense really, the amount of work put in must of taken forever, but I'm still learning tons every step of the way.

Its quite funny hearing tapes that are talking about capital punishment for smuggling, and I found the doctor's tapes very interesting.
Also the enemies talking to each other or singing is funny. Last thing I'll say is, 1950/60's feel is great.

:thbup:

[JordanGadj]

great game, ive heard bioshock 2 has got online gameplay?

[JoseFelipe]

Absolutely love the game and I hear the multiplayer in Bioshock 2 isnt as bad as many thought it would be, its not MW2 but still plenty enjoyable.

Does anybody know if they may have skimped down on the the single player campaign to accomodate the multiplayer in Bioshock 2?

[Magic Johnson]

I heard MP was absolute shit.

[JoseFelipe]

Well I expected it to be "absolute shit" too, but it turns it its only "shit" maybe even "shitty". So in my eyes thats a :thbup:

[Lightly Salted]

Does anybody know if they may have skimped down on the the single player campaign to accomodate the multiplayer in Bioshock 2?I doubt it, as the game was produced by 4 different development houses (all 2K owned). What the scope of their design document was is an unknown though.

[(the bruce)]

The main game is in no way compromised by having a multiplayer element, it's just basic as hell and has little depth.

Fun for about 10 minutes then you realise it's not.

[SpokesmaN]

Does anyone play this on the PC? I need to know if the horrible mouse acceleration has been fixed because it totally ruined the first one on the PC.

[Dark Soldier]

Starting the second one tonight. Got the set with the artbook, its actually quite good.

[Pokerface]

Still haven't cracked open the first one yet, it's just collecting dust on under my desk. :cab:

[leedsrevolution]

Bio Shock 2 doesnt seem quite as good as the first?

[(the bruce)]

Having just finished the storyline on hard with no vita-chambers some thoughts:

Firstly it's probably not as good as the first game due to the simple fact the new feeling of Rapture isn't there due to it being a sequel. The areas that you explore are equally as interesting as the first game and the underwater parts are particularly cool.

The storyline is a good addition to the overall idea of Rapture and the move to controlling a Big Daddy was a worthwhile one. The history of the Big Daddies and little sisters was covered well throughout the game and gave good backstory to the first game. The addition of the Big Sister was a good mechanic, the arrival and fights with the Big Sister were initially superb what with the difference in speed, tactics came in to play big time.

My biggest problem with the game is that it got far too easy about 3/4 of the way through. The selection of plasmids and weapons available by that point meant the battles with the Big Sisters and Brute Splicers were far too easy and didn't scale accordingly. Disappointing that at points it got a bit routine, which I seem to recall happened in the original. My other main gripe was the lack of a finale as such, the final boss fight against Andrew Ryan in the first gave the game a crescendo but this was sadly lacking in Bioshock 2.

Overall, a cracking game that improved on most of the problems of the first but ultimately the whole experience was a wee bit samey.

[niko_cee]

Are there different endings available contingent on whether you are a merciful saviour or utterly evil bastard throughout?

Good game, although I didn't feel overly compelled to use the full array of weaponary that much, which is a shame as quite a few of the alternative ammo types are very cool. Same for plasmids as well. Kind of got into a routine of freeze then machine gun or rocket launch to death on virtually all enemy types.

[TG]

Electric and water is a good combo.