Realistic Arsenal 2009/2010 Database

[mantralux]

INTRO

While creating the realistic tactic for Arsenal, I found myself annoyed with some of the features of the team in FM, so I decided to make a more realistic database for playing with Arsenal.

This DB includes lots of stuff, like new home kits every other year, attribute upgrades to the underestimated players, etc etc.


KITS

Home Kit
I changed the current home kit to only apply to the 2009/2010 season (as it’s getting replaced in the summer). From the 2010/2011 season, you will see the classic white sleeve kit onwards. I doubt Arsenal would make a kit without white sleeves in the near future, so I just left the home kit alone.

Away Kit
Unlike the home kits, Arsenal change their away kits every year, and they’re pretty liberal with the colours and styles of these kits. They usually have some sort of traditional theme or thought to them, so I did some ‘classics’ in the mix. I did liberal colours all the way up to 2020, where I settled for the classic yellow/blue away colours

Third Kit
Third kits are also changed every year, but the third kit is always last seasons away kit. The editor won’t allow too many custom kits, so I had to stop at 2015 for the third kits, having the original club colours (maroon shirt, white shorts and black socks) from 2015 onwards.

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TEAM

Increased morale, since the team has performed above expectations in this years season. I also increased team reputation slightly, to get us between Inter and Juventus (instead of between Sevilla and Valencia).


STAFF

• Arsene Wenger
  If we're going to play with Arsenal, that means that Wenger won't be manager. Which means that he'll take over another team, which is unrealistic in my opinion. So first thing I did was to make him Football Director of the club, making way for you to be manager but still have Wenger attached to Arsenal to some capacity.
  
  
• Steve Bould
  Seeing as he is head coach of the Arsenal U18 Academy, who won both league and cup in the 08/09 season with Bould as manager, I gave him 18 in the position of manager and 15 in AssMan. Also boosted his PA slightly + attributes boost.
  
  
• Colin Lewin
  PA & CA boost.

PLAYERS

• Thomas Vermaelen
  Boosted PA, CA and some attributes. Ticked 'Shoots With Power'.
  
  
• Emmanuel Eboué
  Boosted CA, PA, dribbling and finishing slightly.
  
  
• Theo Walcott
  Boosted CA, PA, and increased pace and acceleration to 20.
  
  
• Bakary Sagna
  PA & CA boost, ticked 'Runs With Ball Rarely' and 'Hugs Line'.
  
  
• Alex Song
  PA & CA Boost.
  
  
• Cesc Fabregas
  Attributes, CA and PA boost.
  
  
• Abou Diaby
  Attributes boost + ticked 'Looks For Pass...'.
  
  
• Andrey Arshavin
  PA, CA & Attributes boost + added FC to position.
  
  
• Robin Van Persie
  Attributes boost.
  
  
• Nicklas Bendtner
  PA + attributes boost.

I've also made some slight adjustments on the U18 players, as their PA's were way off in some cases.


OTHER

Changed names of major competitions to correct names (like FIFA World Cup, etc)

Changed Hull's in game behaviour (reduced their abilities)

Changed Man Utd, Liverpool, Man City and Chelseas behaviours to correspond more to reality.


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[Shrewnaldo]

Good work here Mantralux but why is it a database file rather than an xml which people can add as per this year's custom?

[Freddie]

Really great idea, surprised more people don't try and create something like this. I would imagine it makes playing as Arsenal slightly easier, but still a superb idea. Keep up all this innovation.

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by Shrewnaldo

Good work here Mantralux but why is it a database file rather than an xml which people can add as per this year's custom?

I would love to have it as an xml, but to be honest I don't know how? My other database files are in xml format, but this one only ended up as a database file.

What am I doing wrong?

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by Freddie

Really great idea, surprised more people don't try and create something like this. I would imagine it makes playing as Arsenal slightly easier, but still a superb idea. Keep up all this innovation.

In the end, I'm working towards consolidating all this Arsenal stuff into a thread on how to play as realistic as possible with Arsenal in FM.

Using the tactic, database, training schedules (my next article ) and a lot of custom graphics I've done + some tips about how the club works behind the scenes....should be a fairly comprehensive guide when it's all done.

[AE]

You my friend something else, This is brilliant true Arsenal supporter

[finkle]

Surely the PA of Sandro on mantralux's details should be removed?

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by finkle

Surely the PA of Sandro on mantralux's details should be removed?

It's a regen, so you won't come across him in any of your games.

[finkle]

Oh lakka.

I thought it was the DM Sandro that everyone seems to buy.

Nice use of FMScout/Genie, bet your mum's proud.

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by finkle

Nice use of FMScout/Genie, bet your mum's proud.

Lucky for both of us then, that me checking the PA of a regen in one of my save games doesn't have any impact whatsoever on how you play FM.

[finkle]

Ok.

Spoiler:

As I'm saying that I'm looking down on you.

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by finkle

As I'm saying that I'm looking down on you.

Oh no...finkle (whoever that is ) on the Dugout forums is looking down on me for being curious about something in a computer game.

Must.......end.......life.....now....

[Shrewnaldo]

finkle - not sure what your issue is here. If you don't like using FM Scout / Genie-whatever, then don't use it. The majority of people on here don't but they don't feel the need to berate others for using it either. It's mantralux's game, he's paid his money for it and is entitled to use it any way he wants. Let's keep this on topic as well.

Mantralux - have you got space on your profile to add (newgen) to the player? Or put it on one of the other factors that will appear? Just to avoid future confusion.

Not sure how you ended up with a database and not an xml... seems strange to me. Did you use the official editor for the changes?

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by Shrewnaldo

Mantralux - have you got space on your profile to add (newgen) to the player? Or put it on one of the other factors that will appear? Just to avoid future confusion.

Yes, I was just about to add his last name, but (newgen) is probably better.

Not sure how you ended up with a database and not an xml... seems strange to me. Did you use the official editor for the changes?

Yes, loaded the 10.3.0 database, made changes and then saved it. Only file I have is the .dbc.

I'll try saving it again to see if that works.

[mantralux]

Fixed it so that it's now a XML file.

[Cirdan]

What surprises me is that you haven't upped the pace of Walcott. He's basically the fastest English footballer around, possible the fastest footballer in the world (and unfortunately not that much else) yet in the game, he's not

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by Cirdan

What surprises me is that you haven't upped the pace of Walcott. He's basically the fastest English footballer around, possible the fastest footballer in the world (and unfortunately not that much else) yet in the game, he's not

I actually have, but missed putting him up there.

His acceleration and pace is 20 in the database, as it should.

[mantralux]

Updated database with some minor tweaks (home kit bug fix and other stuff).

[matthewhong]

one question, why removed killer ball in brilliant playmaker fabregas?

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by matthewhong

one question, why removed killer ball in brilliant playmaker fabregas?

Killer ball means he'll try and shoot elaborate long shots, which isn't really his thing. He runs into channels, joins the attack and do alot of one-twos to get into the box. If he's not doing that, he's sitting slightly back, making through passes.

Killer Balls didn't seem appropriate, but I can be wrong.

[Vermaelen05]

Originally Posted by mantralux

Killer ball means he'll try and shoot elaborate long shots, which isn't really his thing. He runs into channels, joins the attack and do alot of one-twos to get into the box. If he's not doing that, he's sitting slightly back, making through passes.

Killer Balls didn't seem appropriate, but I can be wrong.

No, it means he will try to send a killer pass that will split the defence

So you should not remove that trait from Fabregas

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by Vermaelen05

No, it means he will try to send a killer pass that will split the defence

So you should not remove that trait from Fabregas

Good call. I'll add it back then.

[mantralux]

Added latest update, with Cesc having his killer ball back.

I'm still testing how to get the correct kits to work. It works fine when it comes to the away/third kits, but since the home kit bug is making life miserable for everyone, I'm trying a couple of workarounds.

[Steeler]

Boosting Bendtner's PA and attributes is almost a sacrilege. This chap will end up at West Ham anyway. He was overrated as it was. Total waste of time, and a proper way to mess up a quite realistic database editing flick.

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by Steeler

Boosting Bendtner's PA and attributes is almost a sacrilege. This chap will end up at West Ham anyway. He was overrated as it was. Total waste of time, and a proper way to mess up a quite realistic database editing flick.

By 'boost' I mean a couple of points. Not 10+, or 5+ even.

[diljeet]

Have you made Denilson more shit?

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by diljeet

Have you made Denilson more shit?

Yes, I also edited his left leg so that it's now a wooden leg, and I made all his friends boring.

[mantralux]

Updated to newest version, with complete kit bug fix (it now changes as expected every season), some adjustments to other teams like Tottenham, Aston Villa, Man Utd and Man City (to make them perform slightly more realistic), + other minor fixes.

[CJ]

I think you've made Vermaelen's PA too high, mantralux. What you've given him makes him the centre back with the highest potential ability in the entire database, which, I think even the most fervent Arsenal supporters will agree, is ridiculous.

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by CJ

I think you've made Vermaelen's PA too high, mantralux. What you've given him makes him the centre back with the highest potential ability in the entire database, which, I think even the most fervent Arsenal supporters will agree, is ridiculous.

It's not really about the numbers, we could put him at 200 and he still wouldn't be the best CB in the game, since he lacks jumping.

It's mainly about performance on the pitch, and balance between CA, PA and abilities.

I'm playing in 2013 with this database now, and Vermaelen is above average in all season, nothing more. With the CA/PA SI Games gave him in the original 10.3.0 database, he is much less influential in the squad compared to reality.

Comparing CA/PA with otherplayers in the database doesn't really do anything, as the players general skill depends on what team he plays for, what reputation they have, his form, the players around him, his key abilities, his morale, etc etc.

Giving him a high PA was just an attempt at in-game balance, even though I don't remember giving him as high as you suggested. It might be a mistake on my part, but so far it's looking realistic in my saves.

[matthewhong]

for me, vermaelen pa is normal as in reality, he is juz 23/4, cb normally peaks from 26-30, see maldini, nesta (40 years and still playing) or even campbell.

so, any confimed final edited database so i can start a new save babe?

[mantralux]

Updated to latest version with complete kit overhaul. Read more about it here:

http://www.thedugout.tv/community/sh...ad.php?t=65491

Matthewhong: I think you could start playing now, it's all very close to final release.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Have you edited anybody's stats down, or do SI just hate Arsenal?

[Cirdan]

I'd have to say that Arsenal are odd in SI's database. On the one hand, they tend to do better than in real life. On the other hand, it's only because they spend far more, and some of their best players are underestimated.

Though I do believe there are some that SI have actually overrated. If Almunia's stats were realistic, I think the AI Arsenal would always buy a new keeper

[UofNCRocks]

So when you download the database, how do you input it into your game?

Great stuff!

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Floyd

Have you edited anybody's stats down, or do SI just hate Arsenal?

I left most of them as they are in the original 10.3 database, like Almunia and a lotof the U18's.

But yes, SI doesn't seem to be fair when it comes to some Arsenal players. I realize that I'm as biased as a mother protecting her child....but Cesc's PA in the original database is ridiculous.

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by Cirdan

Though I do believe there are some that SI have actually overrated. If Almunia's stats were realistic, I think the AI Arsenal would always buy a new keeper

I would guess that some actions in the database are for other reasons than we think. Having Almunia better than in real life, might be the trick SI have done to actually keep him at the club.

Just a guess though. He is pretty shit in the original DB, as he should.

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by UofNCRocks

So when you download the database, how do you input it into your game?

Great stuff!

Answered you in another thread, here:

http://www.thedugout.tv/community/sh...23&postcount=7

[mantralux]

Updated to v0.9.

Will start a major save now, and if this database holds up it will be the release candidate.

[coolcup69]

Isn't it a bit rich to be boosting all your own players to "more accurate" figures while not doing the same for any other clubs in the premiership? I agree that this is your game and you can play it how you like but I just thought it was a bit strange to just boost your own. There are plenty of views on whether SI is correct in all its attributes in all the clubs. I would have thought it better to leave it the same and any "errors" (for lack of a better word) in the Arsenal team would be offset by "errors" in other clubs players as well. It just seems like you are giving yourself an unfair advantage?

I don't mean this to be antagonistic at all, just a constructive feedback.

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by coolcup69

Isn't it a bit rich to be boosting all your own players to "more accurate" figures while not doing the same for any other clubs in the premiership? I agree that this is your game and you can play it how you like but I just thought it was a bit strange to just boost your own. There are plenty of views on whether SI is correct in all its attributes in all the clubs. I would have thought it better to leave it the same and any "errors" (for lack of a better word) in the Arsenal team would be offset by "errors" in other clubs players as well. It just seems like you are giving yourself an unfair advantage?

I don't mean this to be antagonistic at all, just a constructive feedback.

If this would actually work, then I would just leave it as it is.....but the current original database gives some very unrealistic results.

It's all about personal opinion when it comes to editing players in the database of course, just like everything else in all my threads. I'm not saying that my work is fact.

My database is supposed to as realistic as possible, but also be fun for any Arsenal supporter to play with. If this database gives Arsenal some slight advantages (which I don't think it does, as I still always end up 5th or 6th if I go on holiday for a couple of years), it probably won't bother anyone that much.

I am still trying to get it just right, and in the latest version I've knocked a couple of players down even.

Also, I have improved some teams, due to them having unrealistic results (like Man Utd finishing 7th), and I still have to knock Man City down alot, since they always win th premiership in my saves with this database.

[kennedy_baik]

have you adjusted walcott's pa down as well?

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by kennedy_baik

have you adjusted walcott's pa down as well?

Seeing as he's the most promising player in the entire team; no.

[kennedy_baik]

strange, i thought this was a realistic arsenal

[matthewhong]

he hates walcott apparently

[kennedy_baik]

dont hate him just dont rate him. boom

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by kennedy_baik

strange, i thought this was a realistic arsenal

So he's just a fringe player without any talent then? Ok.

[kennedy_baik]

no, but hes not the new pele or the new messi. maybe then new SWP. or stuart ripley

[mantralux]

Originally Posted by kennedy_baik

no, but hes not the new pele or the new messi. maybe then new SWP. or stuart ripley

Well, Pele would be PA200, and Messi would be PA199 if we're going for realism.

It's not all about PA though, don't get hung up on the numbers. Attributes, individual form and team form are equally as important in making a good player.

Even if Walcott had PA195+ (which he doesn't) he still has a very low Finishing attribute, and hence won't be the best striker in the game regardless of potential ability.

[kennedy_baik]

but isn't he a winger? pace, dribbling and agility and um pace.....and hype? im going to stop now as i'm trolling your thread. sorry