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Old 20-01-2011, 10:42 AM   #1
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Default 4-2-2-2 "Il Devasto"

4-2-2-2 "il Devasto" (I apologize in advance for my bad english)

This is the tactic (i'm sorry, but i' forgot to uncheck the option "target man"...then, neither of two forward is "target man"):

IMPORTANT: Read all the post and if you do everything i say in this post, this tactic will work great

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4...enshot359s.jpg

The particularity of this tactic is that, while playing with two large wings, passing are set in the center to take advantage of their movements and the movements of the two forward...the amplitude is seen, not as a way to open the game from one level to another by sending a cross to the exterior, but is seen as a means to send to the center, as many players as possible to avoid him "beat feet".

Now i show you the line up in attack and the line up on defense (action-type goals and how to defend the team):
A) Attack (red: forward; blue: wings; purple: midfielders; yellow: backs)
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9...eenshot349.jpg
As you can see the ball carrier(Carrick) has a lot of offensive solutions, and there, in this picture taken from the game against Barça (willfully to show the impact even against strong defenses) can count 5 different solutions: the two full backs, the 'other median, the two wings and rooney, in this case was the player served a chance to find himself infallible!
B) Defense(Here I show you a series of 4 screens taken from the same action to show the effectiveness of the module. Red circle in the opponent and the ball carrier, the red line, of course, is a sign of its passage):
1: Mascherano sets the action, no one contrast (this is the peculiarity of being a defensive tactic) but not has important solutions because the spaces are all closed, and then discharged to the outside
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6792/24141094.jpg
2-3: The player who receives the outside, having no space in front of you, download centrally Iniesta ... even here it goes, and Iniesta decides to return to Mascherano:
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5531/71660070.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3504/93553800.jpg
4: Mascherano decided to return to Iniesta, continues to have no clear solutions, but at this point, Carrick, takes it in advance, retrieves the ball and get it on rooney
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7263/28245977.jpg

After showing a little something to tell you a little step ', role by role, what kind of players are used to this tactic:
GK: the best could find.
FB: since it must cover the entire external zone: a) physical qualities, especially speed, b) quality techniques such as cross, marking, steps b) mental qualities like without the ball, position, team play.
CB: best you could buy
MC: I used the median with good feet and / or central midfielders achieving excellent results. Career test to man utd I used Fletcher and Carrick (I will show you the statistics)
WGS: shift the balance are crucial. They must be fast, must be able to cross and dribble, must be able to play as a team. Do not need finalizing. Must be of the wings as well, not adapted attackers, the game would be affected to the extent that they no longer play for the team but would seek a personal solution
FR:will be your finalizer, then used the usual values and attributes tokeep under control . I invite you to consider, however, particularly the physical values.
FS:will be a bit 'finalizer, a little' finisher, so do not count as the finalization (15 already is fine) but what will count a lot: A) technical quality: passes, first game B) mental qualities: teamwork Without the ball, intuition and even a bit of imagination.

That said, I give you some 'helpful advice:
-Pitch dimension: MAX
-Any O.I.
-If you use this tactic in halfway, before it can give the desired results, it takes a minimum of 3 games, to a maximum of 6
-If you use this tactic since the beginning of the season, it would be preferable, the friendly pre-season, you play by turning your team over every single game (45 min and 45 min)
-pre-match training by the assistant manager


Now a bit 'of statistics, just to make you realize the immense potential of this tactic:
Goal scored (team)
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5...eenshot360.jpg
Assist (team)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/816/assist.jpg
Premier League Final Standings:
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1348/classificak.jpg
Premier Leagues players final statistics:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/344...stichecamp.jpg

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8...campionato.jpg



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REMEMBER this: not change the tactics in any aspect, it is a 4-4-2, and can not be trasformed into other tactics...if u make this, and the result will not arrive, not give her the blame!!!

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Old 21-01-2011, 12:05 AM   #2
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Well your English isn't too bad. But why does everyone run back except the strikers?
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Old 21-01-2011, 06:30 PM   #3
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Well your English isn't too bad. But why does everyone run back except the strikers?
to tighten departments
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Old 22-01-2011, 01:58 PM   #4
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Thanks for this amazing tactic,i'm playing with AS Roma and it's working very well.
I only have one doubt, i have to uncheck the "target man" in the tactical defenitions?...
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Old 22-01-2011, 04:20 PM   #5
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Thanks for this amazing tactic,i'm playing with AS Roma and it's working very well.
I only have one doubt, i have to uncheck the "target man" in the tactical defenitions?...
yes mate
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Old 23-01-2011, 07:38 AM   #6
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Well your English isn't too bad. But why does everyone run back except the strikers?
I think since FM08 or 09 that just means they don't make forward runs.
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Old 26-01-2011, 11:23 PM   #7
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A bit surprised by the relative indifference this stuff created. This is by far the best tactic i used in FM, even more impressive than the famous 4-3-3 (neverlosen) in previous version.

I twicked it in two aspects before my second season:

1) I put the right striker (fastest one) as target man, supplied into spaces. I alternate Rivière and Gameiro in this role for my Saint-Etienne save, and they're just fantastic... I can't imagine how the likes of Vagner Love/Torres could perform in this scheme. HUGE amount of CC chance per match.

2) On corners, i told my DCL (best header) to "attack to far post", and my corner taker to cross to far post indeed. Verkhovstsov is a terror (and so Vidic I suppose. lol.)

My results since I twicked the tactic (which worked well yet before):


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I concede too much because my full backs aren't top class...

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Old 27-01-2011, 12:14 AM   #8
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Hi.

Just thought I'd tell you - not sure if it's just me - but a lot of the screenshots don't seem to be working. Only screenshots 4 & 6 are working for me, aswell as the Goals Scored and Assist screenshots.

Just wanted to ask a couple of questions if that's okay.

Firstly, so the MC's need to be 'ball-carrier' type midfielders? So stat wise, I'd be looking at things like Passing, First Touch, Composure, Teamwork, Decisions etc, yes?

Secondly, could you explain a little bit more about the strikers? Am I right in assuming that the right-sided striker is the finisher, and the left-sided needs to be a more creative player?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: All the team instructions are set to default aswell. I assume they aren't supposed to be?

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Old 27-01-2011, 02:19 PM   #9
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Trying this one with Liverpool. Notched all straight wins. Including a 10-0 against one of those 'never-heard-of'teams from idon'tknowwhere and a 6-1 against newcastle. Big difference between home and away results. But it sure looks promising.

Like the lad above, what i need to look for in the 2 midfielders? They are kinda key figures and i'm still experimenting with them...
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Old 27-01-2011, 02:54 PM   #10
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Firstly, so the MC's need to be 'ball-carrier' type midfielders? So stat wise, I'd be looking at things like Passing, First Touch, Composure, Teamwork, Decisions etc, yes?
I used this strategy heavily in previous FM version where it worked brilliantly (not that much in '11 but still very usable). So to answer your question, yes, definitely, the 2 MC's are the most important players , so good mentals + technique + passing and good stamina as they get tired very fast because most balls go through them. I usually played one as advanced playmaker and another one as supporting (or ball-winning) midfielder.
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Old 27-01-2011, 02:56 PM   #11
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Best tactic ive used so far on this version. Tons of goals and ive only just lost my first game in about 25 (most of them wins) after taking over at Atletico Madrid. Didnt buy any players, just used what they had at the time.

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Trying this one with Liverpool. Notched all straight wins. Including a 10-0 against one of those 'never-heard-of'teams from idon'tknowwhere and a 6-1 against newcastle. Big difference between home and away results. But it sure looks promising.

Like the lad above, what i need to look for in the 2 midfielders? They are kinda key figures and i'm still experimenting with them...

I personnaly use two hardworking midfielders (Mariga-Nkoulou or Matuidi-Fofana).

When I put Adrien on the pitch, he always seems to have poor or average ratings (6,70 in 15 games) despite his briliant creative skills. Not strong enough... and can't tackle.
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Breaking all kinds of records with this.. top goalscorer, goals scored in a season.

Can certainly highly recommend giving this one a try, especially if you like your tactics to have wingers!
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:24 PM   #14
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I definitely not understand why nobody talk about this one...

Amazing tactic, great results with my Man U side or FC Nantes side.
A lot of goals, chances, ...

Every one has to try it !
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I just want to add how great this tactic is.

Spurs - won all three cups (League cup, FA Cup and CL) and came 3rd in the league (1point from first place).

Bought in a RB - De Silvestri, a CB - Zapata and a striker Derdiyok and bought Hazard in January.

Truely awesome tactic - should be up there with the best
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AWESOME ! Seems to be like the new DIABLO tactic !!!
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:53 AM   #17
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I seem to have encountered a problem, every time i set the tactic, my FM just hangs there. Anyone know why and how to fix this?
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I did give this tactic a whirl with a new Man U save. Initial thoughts were that it was a gret start, well as a rule the pre season friendlies usually go with without a hitch. Come the start of the season it was Chelski in Charity Shield, I was slightly nervous as they had nearly all the posession and chances in the first half. Second half we came out all guns blazing, final score Chelsea 0 Man U 5. 1st league game of the season was Man City away, I thought this would be a tight affair but once again away win and this time 7 - 0. I believed this was the tactic for me as I am a plug n play FM user. My next two games were both at home against Newcastle and Aston Villa, this I thought would give me the perfect season start after the initial success. Lo and behold my two home games I lost 2 - 0 and 2 - 1. I could not figure out what had gone wrong, no major changes to squad and roughly 12 games to get the tactic to gel. Is it the squad or is it just the curse of FM. Any suggestions would be welcome. Cheers, this tactic does have potential and it's nice to see wingers being utilised again.
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Old 07-02-2011, 06:57 PM   #19
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Yeah, doesnt work brilliantly for my Sevilla team either. Dont get me wrong, Im not doing bad but hardly walking on everyone put in front of me.
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I don't normally download peoples tactics (except Pink Panther Redux) and am pretty good at making my own solid but fluid tactics but thought I'd try this one, and.....Wow!! What an amazing tactic. Have just smashed Fulham 7-0 at Craven Cottage and Adebayor scored six. That's 16 goals in 9 games. Only conceded 2 league goals and scored 33.

Results so far....
Arsenal H 4-0
Wigan A 2-0
Blackburn H 5-0
Wolves A 5-2
Liverpool H 2-0
Blackpool A 2-0
Sunderland H 2-0
Aston Villa A 4-0
Fulham A 7-0

Alright fair do's I am Man City. But this is just fantastic. Sorry about typing the results, I haven't got a clue how to upload screenshots.
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